Dear Sir
I refer to your blog dated 27th August 2010 and headed "A Political Mercenary"
In it you state "Lets not forget Councillor Dix will be delivering leaflets next year for the "No Campaign" bought and paid for by right wing donators from UKIP, BNP and the Tory party".
You have made this statement without making any query of True Wales as to the source of its funding. It is a serious falsehood to state that there are such political donations to funds of the true Wales campaign. As the true Wales leaflet and web-site make clear, true Wales is agroup of ordinary people from different backgrounds and no political background, from all walks of life and from all of Wales who have come together to campaign for a "N0" vote in the forthcoming referendum. Those individuals do not represent any political party; their opinions on this matter are their own. It is the personal contributions of members of True Wales which are funding the True Wales campaign. Your statement is defamatory of such persons.
True Wales require the following of you;
1. The immediate withdrawal of the whole of the above-mentioned blog.
2. The publication on your blog of the following;
"On Friday 27 August 2010 I published on my blog a statement which made reference to the True Wales Campaign for a No vote in the forthcoming referendum on primary law making power for the Welsh Assembly.
I now acknowledge that the statement contained a serious false hood regarding the funding of the true wales campaign. I apologise unreservedly to the members of true wales for making such a false statement. As required by true wales i have withdrawn the whole item from my blog".
Yours faithfully
Richard Overton
(written for, and on behalf of true wales committee)
Thank you for the letter Mr Richard Overton (true wales rep) we all know that the movers and shakers within true wales are some Gwent Labour members and a former Labour member with Tory members. Before I take such action to part 1 & 2 of your demands; can you confirm that your donators ( electoral commission guidlines) are not living abroad. Can you also confirm that your donators have no right wing beliefs and have never voted for a right wing party. I don't care where your money come from but if you want honesty from the Yes campaign then you need to be honest yourselves. As Cllr Dix believe in tranparency I sure he would be happy to submit any donation made to the no campaign. As I am happy and proud to submit any donations I make to the Yes campaign. So should your supporters, ( I haven't got nothing to hide). Happy to supply a copy of the original letter
I refer to your blog dated 27th August 2010 and headed "A Political Mercenary"
In it you state "Lets not forget Councillor Dix will be delivering leaflets next year for the "No Campaign" bought and paid for by right wing donators from UKIP, BNP and the Tory party".
You have made this statement without making any query of True Wales as to the source of its funding. It is a serious falsehood to state that there are such political donations to funds of the true Wales campaign. As the true Wales leaflet and web-site make clear, true Wales is agroup of ordinary people from different backgrounds and no political background, from all walks of life and from all of Wales who have come together to campaign for a "N0" vote in the forthcoming referendum. Those individuals do not represent any political party; their opinions on this matter are their own. It is the personal contributions of members of True Wales which are funding the True Wales campaign. Your statement is defamatory of such persons.
True Wales require the following of you;
1. The immediate withdrawal of the whole of the above-mentioned blog.
2. The publication on your blog of the following;
"On Friday 27 August 2010 I published on my blog a statement which made reference to the True Wales Campaign for a No vote in the forthcoming referendum on primary law making power for the Welsh Assembly.
I now acknowledge that the statement contained a serious false hood regarding the funding of the true wales campaign. I apologise unreservedly to the members of true wales for making such a false statement. As required by true wales i have withdrawn the whole item from my blog".
Yours faithfully
Richard Overton
(written for, and on behalf of true wales committee)
Thank you for the letter Mr Richard Overton (true wales rep) we all know that the movers and shakers within true wales are some Gwent Labour members and a former Labour member with Tory members. Before I take such action to part 1 & 2 of your demands; can you confirm that your donators ( electoral commission guidlines) are not living abroad. Can you also confirm that your donators have no right wing beliefs and have never voted for a right wing party. I don't care where your money come from but if you want honesty from the Yes campaign then you need to be honest yourselves. As Cllr Dix believe in tranparency I sure he would be happy to submit any donation made to the no campaign. As I am happy and proud to submit any donations I make to the Yes campaign. So should your supporters, ( I haven't got nothing to hide). Happy to supply a copy of the original letter
32 comments:
Seems to me you have upset my local councilor, he does tend to be a bit thin skinned. Even though he trys to come across as a hard man.
i dont know if conservative party activist richard overton is telling the truth or not when he writes "true Wales is a group of ordinary people from different backgrounds and no political background, from all walks of life and from all of Wales who have come together to campaign for a "N0" vote in the forthcoming referendum". But one thing i do know is that when true wales takes its place in the 'official' No campaign funded by the electoral commission this most emphatically will not be the case!
This is because alongside true wales within the NO campaign will be supporters of the fascist nazi loving BNP and members of the nearly as right wing UKIP! Disturbing company for alleged socialists like nigel dix and rachel banner to keep i would have thought? The BNP and UKIP both of course also favour the welsh assembly's abolition - true wales claims that this is not their official position but it really is difficult to believe them when they say this given their virulent and on the record hostility to the welsh assembly.
If this were not disturbing enough comes news that UKIP has developed links with the maniacal right wing and racist 'teaparty' movement in the USA - a meeting to launch a teaparty movement in the uk was staged at the ukip 2010 party conference. It appears the british version of the teaparty movement is a joint venture between supporters of UKIP, the right wing of the conservative party, the taxpayers alliance and the shadowy right wing freedom association. The taxpayers alliance and the freedom association are of course both deeply hostile to the existence of the welsh assembly and devolution for wales.
All of the above information is true and in the public domain should anyone try to to dispute this incidentally.
So looks the composition of the No campaign is going to be very interesting to say the least - and people like nigel dix and rachel banner will have more explaining to do about the company they may be keeping during the referendum campaign.
If these developments are anything to go by you have nothing to apologise for andrew in attempting shed some light on possible murky goings on within the motley ranks of the anti-devolutionists!
Leigh Richards
swansea.
So you stick by your previous assertion that true Wales literature is funded by the BNP.
Secondly there is as yet no yes campaign or no campaign.
I have downloaded a page from the UK General Election 2010 site and the following is the BNP's manifesto's position on devolution:
'While we do not believe that devolution to the Scottish and Welsh assemblies was inevitable, the BNP is happy to accept that the process is inkeeping with the democratic nationalist principle of subsidiarity. Hardly an abolitionist position, Mr Richards?
More Nationalist lies. The BNP support devolution.
Now mr Nutt answer the question do you stick by your original claim that the BNP fund True Wales leaflets.
I said people who supported the idea of the BNP or UKIP and voted for them would be willing to donate to the no campaign. Just like there would be supporters of some elements of Labour and some element of Tories. Would the No camapign accept far right money, is the question that you should be asking.
No Andrew, you said the leaflets would be bought and paid for by the BNP and others.
Do you stick by this or not? Or Was it a lie?
i have heard bnp leader nick griffin state on numerous occassions that the bnp are opposed to devolution for wales and would abolish the assembly if they had the power to do so! While bnp supporters have repeatedly made it clear on numerous blogs and forums that they are opposed to lawmaking powers for the welsh assembly and will be supporting the assembly abolitionist movement true wales during the forthcoming referendum...
Leigh Richards
I can't believe Richard Overton is so naive to think what the BNP say.
"bought and paid for by right wing donators from UKIP, BNP and the Tory party". Lets get it clear this is what I wrote. Donators who donate to the BNP, UKIP and Tory parties. Not donations from those parties. It will be intresting to know if these parties do donate to the no campaign. So anonymous who is too shy to sbmit your real name. I have nothing else to say on the matter. Andrew Nutt
I voted for the BNP in Newport and have right wing ideas. Would True Wales stop me from donating to the No campaign? to buy leaflets. As I'm disable I can't be more active so I must rely on able body Unionist whatever party they are members of to deliever them.
UKIP opposes the adoption of a Devolved English parliament, preferring to believe that the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Irish Assemblies can simply be abolished to return the United Kingdom to one Country with one Parliament. The party's Welsh section, UKIP Wales, persuaded the UK leadership to back a policy of outright abolition of the Welsh Assembly, and UKIP Wales campaigned on that basis in the Welsh Assembly elections in 2003. They intend to plough some money into the no campaign
The UKIP manifesto is to replace the Assembly members by having already elected and paid for MPs representing Welsh constituencies carry out the duties of the AMs one week in each month.
UKIP have not donated one penny piece to the cross party True Wales organisation.
You really have to stop making up policies and attributing them to other groups just because it suits your fanciful imagination and agenda.
It might also help the path of truth if Andrew Nutt and the Socialist Alliance nutter from Swansea stopped making up fanciful stories about other non existent donations.
anon wrote "I voted for the BNP in Newport and have right wing ideas. Would True Wales stop me from donating to the No campaign? to buy leaflets."..im sure true wales would positively welcome donations from bnp supporters anon!
not surprised to see the prominent true wales supporter who made the previous contribution on this discussion hiding their identity. After all it's a well established fact that when people resort to personal abuse they have lost the argument. But such hysterical and abusive statements are of course typical of what we can expect from the liars and fantasists of true wales...
Well done andrew you've opened up a real can of worms here!
Leigh Richards.
A party can donate more than just money, they donate their party workers time by leaflets dropping or researching type of policies, supply paper, pay for telephone lines and design leaflets and posters.
Andrew this is nonsense, your comments very clearly implied that, True Wales leaflets were paid for by BNP supporters. Do you have any evidence for this?
No it is a figment of your over active imagination.
You are desperate to make this a left right issue when it is not. It is about how powers are devolved to the Assembly. Oh and the Tory establishment are on your side.
True Wales are not calling for the Assembly to be abolished and the BNP support a Welsh Assembly. Throughout these comments Plaid supporters have lied about the intensions of others.
I stopped commenting because to be honest I had stopped reading your lies.
Ps I am not and never have been a member of True Wales.
Yours exposer of Andrew Nutts Lies
Former first minister Rhodri Morgan informs that’s as soon as the Ryder Cup is over he will be launching the Yes campaign for more power s for the Welsh assembly. Those who remember the 1999 referendum will remember the words of Plaid Cymru convert and former welsh Secretary Ron Davies? ; The assembly would cost no more to administer than the former welsh office, when in the real world the assembly is costing over 300 million a year, the Welsh office cost £19million a year.
Today the great and good /vested interest at the Bay tell us that if they get more powers the assembly will not need any more members, yet the assembly funded Richards commission , costing some two and half million pounds concludes, that an extra twenty members will be needed. The public will also remember that the last time powers were granted members had a whooping 8% pay rise.
I look forward to battle ahead and many b list celebrities who don’t even live in Wales being rolled out by the Tories, labour ,Nationalist and Lib Ams in support of more powers. I fear Mr Nutt is Nutt by name and Nut by Nature. I would watch it if I were him as I heard that Cllr Dix has sought legal advice on Mr Nutts outrageous claim that he will be delivering leaflets paid for by the BNP. Do own your house Mr. Nutt as a Libel case could cost you thousands , oh you could get a lone from the nationalist credit union.
"No Campaign" bought and paid for by right wing donators from UKIP, BNP and the Tory party. Read carefully "donators from UKIP, BNP and the Tory party". Or in other words people would donate to those parties. nothing to do with any party donations. Anyway after the referendum the electoral commission will report on who gave to both yes and no campaigns and if there are any right wing supporters or members the truth will be out.
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Its up to cllr dix to prove that he wouldn't be deleivering leaflets from right wing sources.
don't you mean "paid" by right wing sources.
When you made this allegation Andrew, what proof did you have?
Or did you make it up in an attempt to slur your opponents?
Anonyymous name calling is the lowest form of politics. You have nothing left in your arguement. Not even the guts to put your own name to the comments. Mr Nutt might be Nutt by nature. So what does that make Cllr Dix.
My comments was based on the last No campaign, as well as the Tories supporting the No campaign there was also people with right of centre supporting the No campaign. So if some lefties have a problem with this association and can't defend their position, it is not my problem. The No campaign would be the first to shout if the shoe was on the other foot.
I think labour members who side with the No campaign should think very caerfully before underminding the Labour party again. In 1997 there was a vocal labour no campaign, that ended with the Plaid Cymru doing very well in the first assemby elections. Because voters don't like a divided party. The Labour party don't forgive nor forget members who side with the no campaign. If labour don't do very good next year.
Wales will win a yes vote for more powers in next years referendum. Labour will regain Blaenau Gwent,Cardiff North and Cardiff Central but lose Caerphilly, Islwyn, Rhondda, Carmarthen west and Neath to Plaid Cymru and in turn Plaid Cymru will lose Llanelli to Labour.
True Wales
Three weeks after David Davies MP announced his intention to campaign for a No vote in any referenduum on giving the Assembly primary law-making powers, a group of like-minded people have now formed around him calling themselves ‘Ture Wales’.
However, even a No campaign must also be campaigning ‘for’ something - in 1997, it was for keeping things as they were - and it is difficult to discern at this point what the new group, or indeed any future No campaign will be ’for’? According to the Western Mail, True Wales spokesperson David Rees says the group is for:
those who support Wales’ presence in the United Kingdom [who] have been for too long unfairly categorised as ‘anti- Welsh’. True Wales aims to represent the true feelings of the huge majority of people in Wales who wish to remain in the UK.
if there is a general belief out there that the proposed referendum will be about taking Wales out of the UK, then clearly the All-Wales Convention has a lot of work to do in educating people! But that is unlikely to be the case. The referendum will be about giving the National Assembly primary law-making powers that will allow it to make a real difference to the lives of the poeple of Wales without having to go through the cumbersome LCO process every time. And with Labour, the Liberal Democrats and a number of Conservatives being behing such a move, any Yes campaign too will be led by people who want Wales to remain forever part of the UK.
So since ‘keeping Wales in the UK’ cannot be their defining principle, it may be that True Wales’ aim is to keep things as they are - whcih would be the inevitable consequence of a No vote in a referendum. If so, they believe that the current system of giving the Assembly law-making powers bit by bit, with a huge amount of time and resources being wasted in getting the OK from Westminster., is the best constitutional settlement for Wales in the long term. It is very difficult to see how anyone could come to this conclusion, still thes how they would hope to convince a majority of Welsh voters of its merits.
Or, they may be for something else. Maybe for going back to the pre-1997 days of direct rule from London with no devolved Welsh institutions at all? Not for keeping Wales in the UK, but keeping it, to all intents and purposes, in England. If that is their true standpoint, its is one that is supported by only 15% of the Welsh population, and pro-devolutionists have nothing to fear from the new group.
Isn't David Davies a far right Tory MP from Monmouth.
Rachel Banner, an English teacher and Labour activist from Pontypool who is the main spokeswoman for True Wales’ No campaign, told the Western Mail: “[It’s] because we care so much about Wales, we don’t want to see Wales slipping down towards separation from the UK, which we believe ultimately is the aim particularly of the nationalists but also of certain nationalist sympathisers in Labour. Pontypool have really benefited from a labour government. Ms banner belongs to the English labour party while the Labour yes campaigners belong to the welsh labour party. thats why Rhodri morgan gave a clear red water speech.
That is why Nick Griffin and the BNP agree with No campaigners.
I see Cllr Nigel Dix has been spouting off Unionist rubbish agian in the Western Mail. I laughed at is BNP comment, seem to me people in Blackwood has been onto him and his conection with the no campaign. Supported by right wing donations like the BNP and UKIP. Cllr Dix should choose his allies better as David Davies Tory MP want to reduce the number of Welsh MP's being sent to London. Which means at least 15 Labour MP's will be out of a job soon.
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Hey, I am checking this blog using the phone and this appears to be kind of odd. Thought you'd wish to know. This is a great write-up nevertheless, did not mess that up.
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